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Misuse “Conversation Domination” for SEO – its flaws and failures

search engine marketing Misuse Conversation Domination for SEO   its flaws and failures

Conversation Domination” was an ebook authored by Howie Schwartz. Other people (including myself) have worked this out independently. It’s just a natural extension of multiply publishing your content on various social media sites. Since so few people really produce effective content, it’s relatively easy to take over the majority or all of the spots for a given keyword.

[You'll see that Howie is a bit of a scammer, hiding the fact of a $197 per month fee in the bottom text on that page.]

Here’s the first of the failures for this “system”:

1. Marketing is based on conversation. Conversation is – by definition – a turn-about process. “Dominating” a conversation means you control it completely.

Now – what does a person do with a conversation that is completely controlled by one person?

Leave – find somewhere else to converse.

Next:

2. Search engines evolve according to human needs and wants. Spammers find themselves isolated eventually, kicked off all search engines. Why? Spam is unwanted communication. A one-way flow. Old-style marketing tactics.

And:

3. When someone “dominates” search engines by taking several or all of the top spots for a given keyword, it means no one else can participate in that conversation. So, ultimately, this means that such techniques will eventually be labeled spam and search engines will move elsewhere.

But:

4. Original, great content is king - always has been. That’s what the Internet was created for. So people could find information (content) they were looking for. Spamming your way to the consistent top of the search engines doesn’t mean you have the best content – you’ve just figured out how to make the search engines think you do. And search engines ultimately penalize all spammers – drastically.

Also:

5. Marketing (ClueTrain Manifesto) means conversations – real conversations. I give, you take. You give, I take. No shortcuts. No “Igiveyoutake. Igiveyoutake. Igiveyoutake…” Doesn’t work – except in extraordinary circumstances (jails, prisons, visiting in-laws). Usually temporary until situations are resolved.

Finally:

6. “Conversation Domination” (or anything touted as “domination”) is a dead-end street – and it has “SPAM” graffitied on that back wall when you reach it.

7. But setting up a bunch of remote blogs under aliases to comment on your own stuff in order to raise its search engine ranking – just more spam. You’ve already got tons of backlinks coming in from all these tools above. Squidoo pages are fine – but if they are only about you, then they are just more old-style marketing, aren’t they? Converse, don’t pontificate or posture.

Why is OnlyWire fallen by the wayside, less important than it was originally – because people were spamming with it. Simple. Spamming isn’t a conversation – it’s old-style marketing. Social Media handles it by shunning and voting you off the island. (update: OnlyWire has reinvented itself and is back again..)

8. The real purpose of Marketing and Commerce is to provide something of value so people can improve their lives with it. That’s how you earn word of mouth and client loyalty. No other way.

When you block other people’s content by artificially and constantly grabbing the spotlight… Those actions just can’t last.

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Real, timeless, practical approaches:

A. This doesn’t mean you don’t optimize your pages so search engines can read them easily. Doesn’t mean you don’t theme your pages so they make sense to the readers and the search engines at the same time. (Most people still don’t do this – and there is no way to educate them to do this, so this is a completely valid solution.)

B. This doesn’t mean you don’t tell directories about your site. Still works.

C. Doesn’t mean you don’t submit (or auto-submit) your content changes to RSS directories.

D. It does mean you interact with people leaving comments on your site. It does mean that you track people commenting on your content and leave comments on their site – as well as linking to them.

E. It does mean to re-purpose your content in many ways, so lots of people can find it in a format they like. Articles, press releases, podcasts, slideshares, videos – and whatever else comes down this pike.

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If you do the first 1-7 above – I hope you sleep really well at night for all the “long-tail niche keywords” you’ve just “dominated”. And while you’re at it, don’t forget to tape up that corner of the bigger-than-life poster of you on your bedroom door. And don’t forget – you’re sleeping alone most nights…

If you do A-E, welcome to the real world.

Keep your search engine optimization work honest and always a real contribution – and then you’ll succeed way beyond your wildest hopes.

Because you are helping everyone win, helping them find the content they need to improve their lives.

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Update: I may have mentioned this elsewhere, about an experiment I made. What happened is that the social media flooded the search engines initially. They all linked back to my site page. That site page didn’t show up to begin with. But after a month or so, the social media faded to lower rankings, while the site page kept up there at about #3 or #4 for that keyword phrase.

While you make take a majority of the top postitions temporarily, other people can come along with new content and push them down the stacks. But your make page seems to stay, essentially as it’s SEO’d for that phrase and has incoming links from social media sites, which tell the SE’s that it’s an authority. (Google, anyhow.)

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What to do with spam comments

search engine marketing What to do with spam comments

(Had to give you a really cheesy pix, didn’t I?)

I hate spam as much as the next guy. And sometimes, these guys manage to make a nice sounding post which gets by the spam filters. Some people are simply thinking that they can market their stuff by getting links through comments. What they don’t understand is that lots of people are wise to this, and filters take out quite a bit of trash this way.

I got curious what was in those filters and found some fascinating ideas what to do with them. Of course, they can simply be deleted. And the Askismet filter will do that anyway, eventually. I found a better handling, however:

  1. Open up the spam and find a complimentary one.
  2. Delete their URL and put in on of your own (from one of your many sites.)
  3. Add to their comments if you want, pile on the compliments.
  4. Approve the comment and sit back to admire your work.

What this does is to give your other posts backlinks. So you are spamming yourself, in other words. And if you take the time to deep link to a page inside your site, all the better.

Of course, you only want to do this when you are idle, with nothing better to do in life at the moment. But it is a way to recycle otherwise wasted electrons…

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